There is a blog by Nair on the no of locals migrating to other countries.

A minister mentioned that with the slowdown in the economic condition, the no of foreign professional might decrease soon.

Toursit arrival in September also not high despite F1 race on.

I think during this ecoonic slow, more local asl will try to migrate to ther countries.

Originally posted by Nata|ie:

I agree that FTs are here to compete with us. However, I do feel that there are certain jobs that a s'porean is too proud to undertake.

I also think in the same manner n local need to be paid a high salary.

Originally posted by rainee:

Maybe by the end of today there will some shows to watch lolz.

Anyway Abdullah refused to meet up with Anwar, saying this is all a political game at play.

But can't deny many want to see BN go down after 50 years of reign...

There seemed to b many dissatisfaction to PM Badawi n personnally he seemed like a nice person though. He tried to arrest corrupt officer in the govt.

Originally posted by Hub:

they can withdraw Full monies when they reached retirement age if they CHOOSE to give up PR, but do Sgporean have a choice? yes u may say so, but why should we give up our citizenship for our own monies??

There r some local chose to rent out their HDB flat n buy properties in JB, Malaysia just to save cost.

Originally posted by charlize:

 To reassure you, most of what you think are "anti PR" posts are actually not directed at the PRs themselves but rather on the perceived favouritism that the government places on everything foreign over her citizens.

 

You are right when you say that governments have an obligation and responsibility to care for her citizens first and foremost.  However, this is apparently lost on the current leaders who make it a point to think of ways and means to make as much money out of the general population as possible while splurging the money it makes to make the country better for foreigners (note: not singaporeans).  Reasons given for the relaxation of rules and regulations - to attract more foreigners to come stay in Singapore. (note: not because of Singaporeans' wish for more openness)

 

As a PR, you might not feel it.  You might even be tempted to label Singaporeans as a complaining lot, of not appreciating all that Singaporeans have.  All I can say is when you eventually decide to convert to sg citizenship, you will realise what is happening as your kids serve their NS obligations, are not able to enter the local universities due to increase foreign student demand, can't take out your CPF monies when you are 60 or 70 or 80 years old etc and face some of the problems that Singaporeans grapple with everyday.

 

It will be an eye opener for you, I am sure.

 

 

I think only local can protest at Hong Lim park but not the PR.

Originally posted by Hub:

they can withdraw Full monies when they reached retirement age if they CHOOSE to give up PR, but do Sgporean have a choice? yes u may say so, but why should we give up our citizenship for our own monies??

So what is u want? Ur citizenship or ur CPF?

Originally posted by Hub:

you can't even survive in own homeland, talk about what to buy property in neighbouring countries. for these FT/PR, they can choose to go back and enjoy of what they have earned back in their country

let me put in this way, i believe most if not all want to enjoy to have own property in homeland no matter where u are from unless u are talking about migration

PR of foreign professional do not have easy times in this country n they need to compete not only with local but also foreign professional of different countries.

There r plenty of locals buying properties in neighbouring Malaysia esp with coming Iskandar project in Malaysia.

Originally posted by Hub:

if u r a PR and decided to give up PR for retirement back to your country, u can withdraw full amount and enjoy in your MOTHERLAND. The difference here is if you are Sgporean., naturally Singapore is your motherland!! and we have to renounce our citizenship to get back our own monies!! i believe you are joking when you mention "same", it's entirely different.

To answer your questions, kindly see below:-

Q: Do foreigners have to contribute to the CPF?

Foreigners only need to begin their monthly contributions to the CPF after having assumed permanent resident status. During the first two years as a permanent resident, contribution rates to CPF are reduced.

(look, most foreigners working here ultimately will get PR at least to avoid hassles of re-applying employment pass (subject to government approval), moving from one job to another and other factors too)

Q: Can permanent residents withdraw their Central Provident Fund savings?

PR can withdraw their savings at age 55, after a Minimum Sum in their Retirement Account is set aside. Members can also withdraw their CPF savings if they are permanently incapacitated or will leave Singapore and West Malaysia permanently. If members do return to Singapore, they must reimburse the CPF Board for the amount they had withdrawn with interest.

 

I think for foreign professional to get PR is quite natural to avoid hassle but how many of them migh apply for PR given that CPF annuity has been implemented?

I believe for foreign professional if they knew that CPF annuity is going to b implemented, how many of them will apply for PR? What is ur proposed soultion to the PR or foreign professional problem? As a local urself, u should be aware that this country did not have natural resources except its people.

Originally posted by Hub:

how many of u here understand the new CPF ruling?

is CPF really beneficial? do u know if u park your money with gurantee bonds, u can easily earn at least 3.5%/yr interest yourself? why garmen so rich?

who are actually bounded by CPF? FT/PR can choose not to stay in Singapore (going back to their homeland) at retirement age and withdraw Full cash out but how about Sgporean, if i'm not wrong, a portion of CPF monies will only return to you when u reach 80yrs old, how many of u can live till that age? for those who can't, your monies will be 'confiscated', these monies are ours right? think again....

 

note: now CPF minimum Sum is currently $94,600, and going to be up as years goes by...

 

 

 

I think u need to b clarified on some matter cause foreign professional do not contribute to CPF, only PR n for PR to withdraw their CPF, they need to give up

their PR in order to withdraw CPF, the same applied to local wishing to get CPF, need to give up their citizenship.

There seemed to b many PR pitting against local.

Originally posted by Hub:

superficial thinking! how about your family n your loved ones? why should we run away anyway, Singapore is our home! and precisely we have defended our motherland with our sweat n blood, don't we deserve better but great competition from the FT/PR?  if u r employer, will u employ cheaper FT/PR and who are even younger than you, who care if u have done NS before. So does it mean we have to get cheaper salary in return to compete with them? they could buy big house with garden probably only around S$100,000 back in their country, but on average we have to pay S$200,000 for just a 4room HDB. Don't forget, not just sg guys are experiencing these problems, but sg girls too. we believe our Government has not done enough to protect sgporean rights especially towards sg guys that's what tis original post is about

btw, do u know a foreigner with a degree can easily get PR after just 3 months of work?

 

 

 

I remember that second generation PR also need to serve full time NS n failure to do so will have their PR terminated n asked to leave the country.

I agreed on the part that majority of the foreigners got their PR quite easily but on ur part that those foreign professional or PR could buy cheaper houses in their countries are true though but u need a gentle reminder, many local also have the ability to buy cheaper proerties in neighbouring countries.

What about those for reservist with no unit? I wonder if they going to b given the uniform or need to wait for posting to unit?

Originally posted by UnLeAsH_cHa0s:

this is jus my personal comments, so pls dont b offended or wat.

we r a damn bloody small country, n the only resources we hav, our ppl. note its our ppl, foreigners not included. u expect foreigners to defend u? kiss my (_l_) better. i seriously dont understand y 1st gen foreigners dont need NS. any explanation? bcos let them "on trial first", like den commit? WTF! this is a country, not a resort where u can get free 30-day trial membership! i deal wif foreigners in my workplace on a daily basis, many of them on the so call MOE scholarship whereby they can study in s'pore for free. trust me, their talents r only as gd as their talking. no one can understand y.

i believe despite all the talking n complaining in this thread, at the end of the day, we need NS, n mayb 1.5 years is a good duration agree? its not that we guys dont wan to serve NS, no problem wif that. it really makes a difference to ur character n etc. there is a saying "NS makes a man out of a boy" n i totally agree. gers, it wont kill u jus to listen to our whining once in a while right? my fiancee loves my army stories in the past. so xiao jies, cut us some slack ok?

i dont agree that ladies should serve NS. so wat if they do only admin or some light work. dont 4get foreigners nv need to do so! so 2 years later, go for degree, fresh grad at 26 or 27, first job, all managers r foreigners (_l_) who r same age as u, how will u feel? "wa my 2 years for this?" wtf! n loyalty towards the country is expected? BIG JOKE HAHA! loyalty to own pocket is safest. risk our lives to protect foreigners who are no talents n made 0 contributions? big NONO for me i not sure abt u guys.

talking abt reservist, its crucial as in times of war, the no of soldiers is definitely the more the merrier agree? i enjoy it as it gives me a break from work n i can meet some old frens. jus take it as a checkpoint to keep urself fit n  break away from work lo. u will feel happier this way. perspective is the word my fellow s'poreans. *but foreigners-wise, only 1 perspective, n from all my posts u guys should get it.*

jus my 2 cents worth.

cheers.

Ur colleauges on MOE scholarship mostly from which countries?

There seemed to b many complaint against PR espcially over the NS matter.

As a second generation PR, I served NS as a clerk but later never kena called up

for the ten year reservist. I seen many of my local colleuages kena called up for the

ten year reservist n when they knew that I never got caled up for reservist, their

attitude seemed to change like turned hostile.

I think this RT should be excused for full time student esp they should b concerned with study

Originally posted by jojobeach:

Lion Noisy ,

Sooooo.. can you also tell us hor.. these Australians migrate to which country ah ?

I read in a local paper in which a local said some of the foreigner took local citizenship in order to migrate to other countries cause local passport is like

gateway to other countries. Is it easy to get US citizenship if u got local passport?

I read that many local migrated to other countries once coming back to this country has difficulty adapting to the life in this country.

Originally posted by Rednano:

for the passport as a springboard to emigrate to western countries. yes, convert!

Acording to the paper today, a tota of no 17000 PR changed to become local citizen a puzzling thing is how many of these will choose to migrate after getting their local

passport. According to many local, some of these converts were merely using the local passport as a convinient tool of travelling esp no visa is required if using local passport.

Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:

ahhaa, stuck .

Its cruel how life sucks, but its life. Eventually they dont stay. But other countries benefit from singapore losing skilled PRs.

I think it is true esp they worked in this country for a couple of years, they decided to pack their bag n go.

Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:

didnt know about this?. are u saying it is in offically in effect now or are u just giving a suggestion?. u mean forced conscritopn NS style? I don't know about How ICA stuff works but if what u claim to be true, i say that PRs are Farked!

Officially enlisted in Singapore?!!

 

I sort of agree with u, Just offer citizenship and trap them as i know many PRs after having tasted life after 2 years, jump onto a boat and run off to US, Australia and UK.

U mean the PR from this country decided to go US or Australia after tasting life in this country? What is the reason for their decision not to stay in this country after two

years?

I think those servicemen kena downgraded from PES A/B to C either posted to be in admin or logistic unit.

I read a comment by a local forumer on Gong Li's failure to attend the citizenship ceremony. It is said that the quality of life in this country is better with no reporter

chasing star. The troubling part is according to the local many foreign professional upon taking the local citizenship got aim to migrate to other countries as it is easier to obtain citizenship if they got Spore citizenship.